Does All Rosé Wine Taste the Same? - Pinkies Up Ep. 9

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome everybody to Pinkies Up. We're very excited because as you can see, we've got a summary-looking episode today. If you're new here on Pinkies Up, we aim to answer questions that regular people like me have about wine. And on this episode, we're answering Does All Rose taste the same?

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Welcome to Pinky's Up, a series where we answer questions normal wine drinkers like Bridget have about wine. I'm Nick, and I'm here to answer these questions in a way that makes sense, whether you drink your wine with your pinky up or you drink it in a solo cup. Let's see what's going on this month. Hello, everybody. You heard Bridget. We're figuring out does all rose wine taste the same? And uh it's all pink. A lot of people think just pink tastes pink. It looks the same. A lot of people think pink is sweet, which white zinfandel is sweet. But you know, this is all dry rose. As I like to say, delightfully dry, resoundingly refreshing.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Drosé. Drosé! Okay, so this already brings up a question. Is it all dry?

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Is all rose dry? So dry means how much sugar is left in the um the juice after you in the wine after you ferment it. So you have a very sugary grape juice that you introduce yeast to, and the yeast turns the sugar into alcohol and carbon dioxide. Okay. And you can stop the yeast from fermenting all the sugar and leave a little bit of residual sugar in there to leave some sweetness. Okay. So these all are on the scale of where we'd say dry. So it doesn't mean it's like bone dry, which is zero grams of residual sugar. These are mostly going to have a little bit of residual sugar in, but they are what we would call dry roses.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Okay. I've got to say, before we get into tasting any of this, my assumption is that yep, all rose taste the same. The only difference is if it has bubbles or not.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

So we have five different roses from uh uh four different countries, and one sparkling, one in a can. They're very typical roses. Some of them have the same grapes, some have different. So we'll see, does the same grape from a different place taste a little different? Do different price points taste different? Does bubbly taste different? Okay. Um, but before we get started, do you know how they make rose? No idea. So these all come from red wine grapes. So great. This first one that we have, the Fleur de Mer, comes from the Cote de Provence, which is where most people think of rose, Provenceol Rose. You think of uh Brad and Angelina, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie's thing. That is not what I thought of. They're broken up, Miraval, that is from Provence. So this is kind of the stereotypical, crisp, clean, refreshing rose. And this comes from grapes that red wine grapes that you'd usually see grown in the south of France, Grenache, Syrah, Vedrith, Carnignon, Sunseaux, things like that. And red wine gets its color from the skins. So a normal red wine, you let it sit on the grape skins, and the juice extracts color, flavor, tannin from those skins. Okay. You do that for days, if not weeks. For rose, you let it sit on the skins for a matter of minutes. Oh, really? Literally minutes. Whoa. It's called skin contact method of because there's three ways you can make rose. These are all called skin, these all come from skin contact method, except the sparkling one, which is a blend. And um, the skin contact method is just let it get a little bit of color, a little bit of tannin, and a little bit of flavor. So you have your red wine grapes, but just lighter, more refreshing, not as heavy.

SPEAKER_01 3:25

Well, and I do like this, as always, I think in every episode, I say this is a dumb question. Um, I feel like has rose been around? Is it relatively new? I feel like in my life, at least it's become popular as of late in the last few years.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

So rose has been around forever. It's probably was made before red wine because you didn't have to let it sit on the skins as long. So without refrigeration, it was a faster way to make wine safely without it spoiling, fruit flies getting all over it, all those type of things. So this was probably an earlier type of wine than red wine, where people just figured out, oh, a little bit of skin contact, we have it, and then they went longer and longer and longer, and then you had dry red wine. But so this is rose's been around for a long time, especially in Europe. In America, no, it just became cool. We associated dry, we we associated pink wine with white Sinfadel, especially since the 80s when Berenger figured out the white Zinfandel thing.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

Exactly, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Um, so you know, it's been unfortunate, but really in the late 2000s, as sound culture kind of picked up, because rose is just so good for food, light, lighter food, the summer, all types of things. If you don't want white wine, something with a little bit more body to it. So kind of picked up in the late 2000s, gain steam in the early 2010s. We were ahead of it. We used to do a huge seasonal thing, and now it's just a year-round thing that I think people are aware of.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

Okay, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

So, yeah, so this one's called Fleur de Mer. It's from the Cote de Provence in France. This is your stereotypical rose. You get like strawberry, watermelon type of flavors on the nose.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

For the record, I did always associate rose with white Sinfandel as well, and I was like, oh, no, thank you. It's just crisp, clean, delicious.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

It's about $15. All these wines are under $15, very affordable.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

I also associate rose very much with this time of year. So as we're recording, it's May. Um, it's perfect for Mother's Day. You know, they're pretty, right? So like they're great Easter and Rose or and Mother's Day, and I don't know, also into summer when it gets hot out. What do you taste in this one? I think this is an issue for me with rose, is I can't actually pick out like bold fruit flavors like I can in red wine.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

Yeah, and it's because it's less skin contact, it's supposed to be a less gentle one.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

It's like delicious, but I have a hard time pinpointing any certain things.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

You'll get more of that like strawberry watermelon thing out of it usually than you would from the red wine, which strawberry and water strawberry you might get out of some red wines, especially Grenache, like this one. Uh watermelon you wouldn't usually expect to get.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

But and both don't have a ton of flavor as fruit. Like you know what I mean. Like in-season watermelon, great, but if you get watermelon out of season, it just kind of tastes like water.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

So this is made This is great. This is the stereotypical one. I wanted to start with this to just say if you've ever had a rose, this is probably the type of rose you've had. You'll see roses from the south of France that are going to be this basic Grenache type of recipe. Grenache is a great grape for making rose because it grows like a weed, um, gives you a really great yield, and it has enough flavor in it that a little bit of skin contact will give you what you need without being overly tannic. So it's a great grape for it. So you'll see that a lot.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Wait, is are there some roses that are have a lot of tannins?

SPEAKER_00 6:46

So they do make roses out of Cabernet Sauvignon, Malbec. We've had those in the past. I don't have any now. They're honestly not pleasant in a lot of cases. Because you get, and I was like, I should go find one for Bridget. I know. I was like, get a cab rose. But they just they aren't that popular. Um, some of it's economics, you can make more money showing dry Cabernet than Rose Cabernet. Um whereas Grenache, you're you know, it's the same amount, so economically it works fine that way. But they're they are out there and they just they're a little weird. I'm gonna be honest, they're a little weird in my opinion. So maybe rose does taste different. They do, those ones definitely taste different, and that's why I was like, maybe I should bring it, but that's like a cheat cut. It's like when we do a wine pairing and we're like, oh, P.S. It works great with champagne. Yes, everything. So I thought we'd try to do more stereotypical. Usually you use uh lighter flavored grapes. This next one we have is the borsal.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

Um, I feel like I'm gonna drink this out of my teacup. I think you should. This feels like a I wore my floral shirt today.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

It's springy. So this one's Spanish from Bodegas Borsal, and this one's Garnacha. So same grape, but Spanish instead of French. Spain is a little hotter climate. Okay. So you should theoretically get some bolder, bigger flavors out of this one. I felt that. I'm glad you said that.

SPEAKER_01 8:09

Just from smelling it, looking at it, I've kind of that's that was like, my bad I'll be able to pick something out. It does taste, this is it, it tastes more bold, um, which of course I like, but I also want it to be, I want bolder to be colder. I don't know if that's like a thing, but this also has more alcohol in it.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

This one's 14%, the French one's 13%. You can see darker color.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Yeah, I like it.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

So extracted more flavor. Okay. From Spain.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

Okay, and because it's warmer, that's where why we're getting these kind of sugar in the grapes, the riper they get.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

Of course, I want the one. More alcohol, more flavor. So, yeah, to me, this doesn't have quite as delicate. Yeah, like you lose that watermelon type of flavor, and you start picking up. I don't want to say this in a bad way, but like cherry robot flavor, where you get cherry flavor, but it's like a concentrated cherry flavor. Not quite. It's it's a fake cherry flavor. It makes you think of fake cherry flavor.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Not in a bad, disgusting way, though. No, it's not disgusting because I would gag with that. I prefer this. Um, it is heavier, so you know, great.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

Not a huge difference though, really.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

No, no. I think if I don't know, I can't stop looking at it, and it looks very different. It is much darker, and you're like, yes, this looks exactly how it tastes, but no, the flavors are very similar. One's just a bit got more oomph.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

A little bit more oomph, this one, a little bit more alcohol.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

So but I wanted to do on this one is did you think I mean, yes, I think there's the flavor?

SPEAKER_01 9:43

No, the like what is that? Mouthfeel? Yeah, mouthfeel. The oomph. Can we make oomph a new deciding factor for wine?

SPEAKER_00 9:51

All right, now this is a fun one. Okay. So this is hogwash, comes to us from California. Uh, I talked with Scott, the enterprising, amazing sales rep for this. Talked to him this morning, and here's what he had to say about the grape blend on it. He says it's nearly all Grenache. Okay. So same as this, but this comes from California. It is a lower alcohol, 12%. Okay. And he says they add in just a dribble of Pinot Noir. But what they do is they pick the grapes at a lower sugar level, so you get a lower alcohol level and a little bit more freshness to it. So the Provence one had 13%, and this is 12%. So should be again kind of in the same range of flavors.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

I'm I'm really glad you picked a canned rose without even talking, because it is one of those, like it's a summer wine, it's a boat wine, you know.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

We drink a ton of this in my household.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Um, canned rose is great.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Yeah. It's better than canned red or old wine.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

Cans do really well for wine for about a year and a half, and then the quality does start to degrade. So something like rose where you want to drink it fresh, it's perfect. Also, a little less oxygen contact, it's just great.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

This is drinkable. But it has a little more oomph than the first one, too.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Yeah, and I think that's adding in the Pinot Noir. The Pinot Noir has a little bit more flavor to it. It's a little bit more premium grape.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

Yeah, I do think that in this case, I like Pinot Noir.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

So we'll get to that.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

You're you're my issue if you have not listened or you're new to me, um, Pinot Noir as a red wine bothers me because it's it doesn't have enough oomph, you know.

SPEAKER_00 11:32

And I think, you know, he said it's just a dribble. I think you get some kind of like tea leaf notes in this and a little bit of herbaceousness in addition to that nondescript light red fruit flavor. And that gives it just enough to make it a little bit more interesting.

SPEAKER_01 11:45

Yeah, it does have it, it is just has a little more interest.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

But if you're just drinking it, I don't think there's not huge differences. There's not huge differences. You can definitely taste the difference when you try them. Boom, boom, boom.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

Yeah, I'm really trying here to come up with differences, guys.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

But if you're tasting, if you're looking for a Grenache-based rose, they all are pretty similar.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

And like you all of these are good. You could go to the store and not be disappointed purchasing any of these. You know, if someone's like, hey, grab a bottle of rose, all of these are exactly what one might expect, I think, right?

SPEAKER_00 12:14

Yeah, and they're all good. We, like I said, we uh Borsel is a great value. We sell a ton of Borsel, really recommend it. We kind of shift through what we have from the Cote de Provence in the store because they're really all the same. Um, there is some super premium versions.

SPEAKER_01 12:29

Uh that the one with the flower on the bottom of the bottle?

SPEAKER_00 12:31

Yeah, Mirval is really the one that's really well known, and that's $25, $30 a bottle.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

It's beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

I had that's um, that's Cote to Rose's. That's cote to roses, yeah. And that one's like $20 a bottle. Okay. I've had a lot of them.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Yeah, they're not it, they're not great.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

And I tell you, if you want to spend some money on a super premium bottle of wine, spend it on red or white wine.

SPEAKER_01 12:53

But I've gotta say, I do think that rose is, I mean, it's a visual thing, right? It's starting to use particularity from that. So the bottle with the rose stamp on the bottom.

SPEAKER_00 13:02

That's a great gift, and it's a great flower vice afterwards. It that's great marketing. Well, do you remember we we just did a virtual tasting where we had a $175 bottle of rose?

SPEAKER_01 13:13

Oh, yeah. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

So think about that one. Would you say that was tasting that different?

SPEAKER_01 13:17

No, and that's the thing. Uh that's a really good note that I'm not sure gourmet rose. Gourmet rose, maybe not a thing, but it is so it's a great gift because it's beautiful to look at, which is why, like people that are new to wine when I didn't know much about wine, you're buying from the label. You're buying from what the bottle looks like.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

So that was the first three. For this episode, I wanted to keep those kind of tight where the grapes are about the same, but they come from different areas, different alcohol levels, and it kind of gives a you know, you can taste three Cabernets from California and they can taste vastly different. Yes. These are similar. Yeah. These are three wines, basically the same grapes, different regions, even. You know, you taste a cabernet from Chile, California, France. If you don't know the difference between those three, you're not that good of a wine drinker. You just drink wine. You just drink. So, but these three you could be like, I don't know. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

Yeah, if you're not drinking them next to each other and talking about the flavor notes.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

All right, now this is where it's gonna get a little interesting, and we might see something different. I'm nervous here. So this one's called La La Olivetto, La Olivetto. It's just an L. Um, but this is a family producer in California. Okay. And this is another skin contact one made from Pinot Noir. So only 100% Pinot Noir. Okay. So a premium grape. Uh actually a really great price on this. A lot of the times, um, you know, when I said what Scott said about picking the grapes early, you can use immature grape vines for your rose, where grape vines take about five years to make fruit that is really usable in wine.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Dry table wine. You can use the immature fruit for sparkling wine because you don't need the flavor as much because you get it out of the bubbles. And you can also use it for rose because you don't need to pull as much flavor. So a lot of big Pinot Noir producers will, as they're replanting vineyards, they'll take those blocks off and use the young grapes for rose.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Wow, this is fascinating. I'm nervous we're not going to have a clear-cut answer at the end of this episode.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

So this is La Velto, uh, 100% Pinot Noir. It's from Russian River Valley, which makes really big, bold Pinot Noir, really flavorful Pinot Noir. And I thought this would be a great one to see. This is a bridge one.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

Bold, bold. Is there any difference in the bottle shape? Is that just aesthetics? Just aesthetics.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

So they picked this is what we call an Alsatian bottle or a Riesling bottle. It's a very tall, fluted one. Most of the other ones have kind of that Chardonnay bottle, a little bit wider. You you know, expect Chardonnay to come in it. Just aesthetics.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Yeah, it honestly looks more expensive.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

It does look more expensive.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

Anyway, just curious.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

So usually you use lighter red grapes, Pinot Noir, Grenache, and so Maveric Sarah, um, not Cabaret Malbec, because you don't want a ton of uh tannin in it, but Pinot Noir is a more flavorful grape than Grenache. So do you think you get a little bit more flavor out of the Pinot Noir one?

SPEAKER_01 16:13

More flavor. Um also like a little bit of a this makes it sound bad, and it is not bad, but almost like a little bit more of a bite at the end.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

Is that have a term?

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Like a red line? Yeah, I think there's a little bit more acidity in this one. Um I think they put a little bit more care into producing this one. Uh smaller production, family-owned. Maybe they're farming these grapes specifically for rose production. It's uh this has also got a little bit of sweetness on the end. Um, this has got a little bit of residual sugar on the end. I think because I'm not used to it. Yeah, this is 13.1. This is they put some so this is 13.1%. So Russian River Pinot Noir, you'd usually expect 14 to 15% alcohol.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

So they'll just yeah. So this is they left some sugar in it, or it's really immature fruit.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

Okay. So I always feel bad saying things like this, but we're here to just like be blunt and get and and explain it. I think that this would be and is a great wine. I just, it's not what I expect from Rose. So instead it just tastes a little watery.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

And I think, yeah, I think this one, it definitely has a lot more acidity. Yeah. This one's better when it's 100 degrees outside than the first three, which are good when it's 60 degrees outside.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

Yeah, that's a great, okay. I that's a great example. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

This is just like so much more acidity. Yes. Boom.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

I agree. I'm just like so perplexed by this because this is not at all what I really like. It it looks similar, it looks just like that other 13% bottle, but tastes different.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

And yeah, the the fruit on this one to me, again, is kind of that more nondescript Robotussin cherry type of flavor. Which is just like the other one. Yeah, than any specific red fruit. The flutamere, I think you get more of the like kind of watermelony type of thing to it. Yeah, I don't know about this, Nick. This one is I like don't love this. It's different, yeah. It is different, but it's not super distinctive. Yeah, this is a hard one. You think about vegetables, for instance. Young carrots, young tomatoes, you know, think about tomatoes. So think about you talked about the watermelon out of season. So tomatoes out of season are just okay. They're they're okay, they're indescript, they kind of have a flavor, but you're hard pressed to say it's a tomato flavor.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

You're like, hmm.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

Grown in the dirt, picked at the ripest of ripe times, heirloom tomatoes, those have flavor. Yeah, and are distinctly different. Rose, it's never gonna be that great. It's short skin contact, which is what gives wine the flavor. It's not necessarily the best grapes on an estate. So you're gonna get kind of these indistinct flavors.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

Yeah, this is this is hard because normally we do this, and it's very easy to be like, yuck, this tastes like dirt, this tastes like chocolate, this tastes like whatever. Where yeah, here you're kind of like, yeah, there's some kind of fruit. Um it's different.

SPEAKER_00 19:08

These these four have all been different, but different in indescript ways.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

And different because we're standing here drinking one after another. The only difference is bubbles.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

Speaking of bubbles, it's gotta be. We usually try not to do huge mass market wines on these things. But here we are. Here we are. We have Josh Prosecco Rosé. Love you. Now, this is an interesting one because Prosecco DOC rules, which is the Italian government rules on how you can make wine, uh, recently changed to allow rose. So this is uh let me pull up the.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

Wait, why couldn't you before? That's what you're pulling up.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Um because rose is not wine, or because it was not traditional for um Deutsch wine. Uh it wasn't traditional. And basically the Italian wine rules are kind of very backwards and kind of really corrupt. Um it's really hard to get changes done. Um my gosh, this website got changed and it's very hard to navigate. Um ahead of time. Sorry guys.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

That's all right, here we are.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

Wow, this is terrible. Uh Josh Persecco, great. So I think this is like 95% glare and 5% Pinot Noir. Um, so this is a different type of rose. This is a blend. So usually, like I said, um, you're gonna make your rose by just doing a short skin contact. There's a second type of uh opening this, I got it. Second type of production called Sangonet, uh, which is a French word. Can you guess what that means? Sangonet.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Blend.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Blood. Ah, close Sangre de Cristo. Um so you literally it it means you bleed off the things. So this happens in a lot of red wine production, and you'll see this is where you'll see some of the Cabernet Roses. Okay. Uh especially as global warming's happening and and things are getting more alcohol, more flavor uh in places like Calistoga, Napa Valley. You'll take and make your red wine and remove 10% of the juice out of it. Okay. And that will concentrate the flavors more in your red wine, and that juice that's remaining is pink, and you just make a rose wine out of it.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

That's the alternative to the skin contact? Yep.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

And then the third one is blending, where you make a white wine and then add in some red wine. Ooh, this is fascinating. Some people would call that blush.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

That's yeah, okay, great point. What is the difference between blush and rose? Just how it's made?

SPEAKER_00 21:37

Yeah, so blush is you add red wine to a white wine. That's um crazy. Is that like so there's not really that much of a difference between blush and blend, but really it's kind of an intent thing. Usually blush means it's gonna be a little sweeter, where rose means you still try to keep it dry.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

So one question is blush wine like still a thing? It is.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

I feel like I haven't heard that in a long time. It is. There's some good blush wine, but a lot of it's garbage. Yes. A lot of it is like fruit stuff that if you like fruit wines, you're probably going to like it. And if you don't, you're not going to like it.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

So is that um, I don't know how to phrase this. Like, is that a way like kind of you use your extra crap? Like, oh, I'm just gonna mix up these things. That's what it feels like. I'm just gonna take red wine, white wine, stir them together, and look, look, it's pink. It's blush. What's the good way to say this? Yes, is what he's saying. The good way to say it is uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

Reputable wine producers generally do not do that.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Understood. And I'm again, this uh podcast is just about getting to the point and answering the question. I do not question the methods of the winemakers. I don't know enough.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

Generally, if you're going and doing that, it's because your goal is to make sweet wines for people that just want some fruity something. Something with alcohol, some kind of juice with alcohol in it. And you know, that's not really sorry. I support that. If I like, I like okay. So I don't support that. I don't drink wine to get drunk. Sometimes it happens, but you know, if I just need alcohol, I'm gonna go to vodka. Like, let's be honest. You know, if you just need to get your drunk on, just go to vodka, put tequila flavored vodka. Now, um I I want wine to be an agricultural product, to be something that has some flavors that I enjoy and is something more than just alcohol. Now, if you want it as just alcohol, that's fine. And blush wine, I think, is made for the people that want it as just alcohol. So I don't want to denigrate anybody's drinking habits or the producers, but I'm telling you, not my cup of tea. Blush wine does not sound like tea.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

Not my teacup of sparkling rose.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

But anyway, yeah, so this is this is glared, peanut and water blended together. Okay. And um prosecco is always a little sweeter, so this has a little bit of sweetness to it. I could drink this all day because very fine bubbles. We've talked about how prosecco has um it's a force carbonated product, it's not a naturally carbonated product. Yeah. So a little finer bubbles, but I think for rose, that's perfect.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

I yeah, I would prefer normally more bubbles, but agreed. I feel like I feel like often, or is it always that rose only has these fine bubbles? Or no? So I never feel like it's as bubbly as I want it to be, but it's Man, this is gonna sound really, really douchey.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

Excellent. Have you ever I always try to get to this point. Have you ever had like a legitimate somebody's very good rose champagne? Probably not. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Cool. If if I have, it was with you. So you tell me. You haven't.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

No, my sisters and I probably buy the $12 bottle. So the very good Champagne France houses. So usually you have like a tete couve, which is which is your you know, ridiculous bottle, then you have a vintage bottle, and then you have your normal blend. That's your kind of everyday thing. It's still out of most people's everyday price point, but they call it their everyday. Out of my everyday price point.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Everyday $50 bottle.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Someday. Um and the rosette bottles are usually kind of at that second-tier price. They're a great quality. You use Pinot Noir in them more to give them the red fruit flavors to give them the pink color, which is more expensive to grow than Chardonnay. Sure. Which is the other main grape in champagne. And those are the big champagne bubbles. Okay. And those are like super flavorful, super delicious. They taste like strawberries and cream. Oh. And um they're really good.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

You find one of those bottles, Nick. I'll find one.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

I'll have it here too.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

It's your mother's day. Um that's perfect.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

So this like is um so most normal, everyday drinking type of rose with bubbles.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

The South of France has some really good uh cremat that you could look for. Uh Cremante Lemieux is a really great sparkling rose that's gonna have a little bit bigger bubble. Okay. Um, you can find rose cava that is really delicious, very cheap, um, and it's gonna have bigger, bolder flavors. Okay. And then the rose prosecco is usually gonna be crisp, refreshing, lighter flavor like this.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

And like what is this Josh bottle run about?

SPEAKER_00 26:11

15 bucks.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

15. That's yeah. That's great. I so again, because of when I normally drink rose this time of year, usually really Mother's Day is when I think about it a lot. I want bubbles because it's a celebration. It's kind of like the start of spring, or like, hey, we're kick starting summer. I don't know. I I love the bubbles, rose.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Bubbles, bubbles everywhere. Always. I mean bubbles, bubbles in my hair. Sorry, that's a book that Simona's reading right now. It's a Sesame Street book. Burt Nerney Bubbles. It's called Bubbles Bubbles. She'll just go. In case you're wondering. Read that book.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Excellent.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Um, anyway. Okay, well so I picked, I wanted to pick five lines that were all under $15, very affordable. I wanted to keep it kind of a tight set because yes, I could have gotten something like a Tanot rose that's just a tan and bombing, but like, yeah, this tastes different. Or the cab, or yeah, but these are what you're gonna find. This is if you go to someone's rose section, the majority of it is gonna be Grenache, Pinot Noir, things like that, lighter red wine, uh lighter red grapes that are made into rose wine.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

Yeah. Um to answer the question, does all rose taste the same? I'm gonna go with a soft yes, um, meaning that is not a bad thing. I wanted to have my mind changed. A soft yes, meaning like you are safe with any rose you get. If someone says bring a bottle of rose, don't stress about too much about where it's from, what it is. Pick one that's made with that it's Grenache based, I would say. It's kind of the traditional what people expect rather than this. What is this one? The Pinot? Yep, Pinot. Yeah, so I would say go with a Grenache if you want kind of your like this is what rose is when people ask for rose.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Everybody's gonna have that. It's the standard. It's the French really invented it spread around the Mediterranean, like so many things. I agree. It's a soft yes. It's a yeah, it definitely tastes different. It's a fun comparative tasting. If you and some friends want to get together, each bring a bottle of rose and say, like, oh, this is where this is slightly different, and I can taste the differences.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

But for all intents and purposes, they're all good, great to drink in the spring or summer. Get one with bubbles if you're celebrating.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

Don't spend a lot of money on them. Please don't. Unless it's this bubbles one you're talking about. That's a different thing. That's another day. Just please don't spend a lot of money on it. We've stopped stocking stuff over $20 just because there's there's no point to it. Um I mean, those they definitely are better.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

But none of these are bad. Like I could drink all of this.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

The difference between a $25 bottle of rose grenache and $10 bottle rose grenache compared to $25 red grenache and $10 big grenache. It's not worth it. It's just not worth it. So they all taste pretty much the same. They're all delicious. They're not supposed to be serious wines. You need to drink them in a year, 18 months.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

What happens after that? Get like a little acid, like acidic can just be.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

It loses all the flavor. They're so lightly flavored, so little alcohol. There's so what keeps wine um so there's three things that keep wine age-worthy. Um, acidity, which Rose doesn't usually have a ton of. Um, you know, we had two, the Lalvetto and the Hogwash had a little bit more. Those will last longer. Alcohol is a preservative. Higher alcohol wines last longer. These are not high alcohol wines. Tannin's the other thing that will preserve wine and keep it. These have very, very, very little tannin. So white wine has no tannin. Yeah. Um, can have more alcohol, can have more acidity. The wines that have more alcohol and more acidity last longer, not as long as red wine. Red wine like Pinot Noir that has less tannin, maybe more acidity, not a lot of alcohol, moderate amount of time. Cabernate that has lots of alcohol, lots of acidity, and lots of tannin. That's the stuff can last forever.

SPEAKER_01 29:56

Okay. That's great to know. Not that I would keep rose, like my cellar.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

Spend 10 bucks, spend 15 bucks, find something from, you know, maybe you like uh Italian stuff more. It's called risotto. Maybe you like uh risotto from Espania. Maybe you like rose from France, maybe you like American rose. Find what you want, spend 15 bucks and call it a day.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

And the other thing is I think to me, sometimes I struggle if I'm bringing a bottle of wine for a gift or whatnot. You're like, oh, I don't know if they like red wine or white wine, and like that's a distinct difference. That is. You're always safe with this. Maybe not in the middle of winter for my style, but you can always go with a rose sparkling wine. Yes, seriously, always a sparkling wine.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Just go with bubbles, just always bubbles, okay?

SPEAKER_01 30:40

Man, and again, we come back with just pick champagne. Here we are, back with that. So listen to a previous episode if you want to learn more about our feelings on bubbles.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Just bubbles, bubbles everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

Oh man, well, you know, this was great. This was great. I thought you were gonna come in and like trick me and try and be like, yeah, Rose tastes different.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

No, you know, we've done tastings where we've had like eight, and you can definitely tell the difference. Again, when you taste them next, and people, it's I think it's a fun thing to do at home. If you're a wine drinker, if you're a wine lover, get some friends over, do it. Yeah, tapas, this is wonderful. Uh little charcuterie board, whatever you want to do, maybe outside on your porch as you open it up. You will taste there are differences.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

But we're back to saying it's they're all delicious.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

So yeah, I agree. Soft yes.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Great, soft yes. That's the answer on this week's episode of Pinkies Up.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

Guys, thanks for joining us. Uh, we have our weekly Sunday episodes every month. We do one of these Pinkies Up. That is our love of wine.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

It is. And you know, again, I get to be a regular wine person asking Nick, you know, for a little bit higher level of knowledge about wine, and we hope it helps you pick your favorite wines.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

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SPEAKER_01 32:06

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SPEAKER_00 32:12

Thanks, guys. Have some rose. Celebrate spring or summer or fall or winter or whatever we're in as you watch this or listen.

SPEAKER_01 32:20

Enjoy. And don't forget to always drink with your pinkies up.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Cheers.